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Deschid acest topic pentru a incerca sa ma lamuresc si eu asupra catorva aspecte.....

  Am vazut la stiri ca se fura masini in draci si marca preferata este BMW (aprox 4.000 de unitati au fost furate anul asta). Stie sa-mi explice si mie cineva cum se face ca poti fura cu "atata usurinta" o masina dotata cu tot felul de sisteme de siguranta? Au informatii de la producatori sau cum? Ca in mod sigur nu ai timp "pe incercate" sa faci o masina cu cip sa porneasca.... Inteleg ca se fura pe comanda, ca e o intreaga filiera.....dar cum dracu fac sa fure o masina asa de repede? Am vazut de exemplu la Mercedes ca daca se intampla sa o ridici la un unghi mai mare de cateva zeci de grade, imobilizatorul se blocheaza iremediabil si reprezentanta accepta sa ti-o repare numai dupa ce faci tot felul de adrese sustinute de dovezi ca e masina ta....Sau le fura cu platforma si le vand pe componente?

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Si imobilizattoarele alea is facute tot de oameni, si mai mult ca sigur s-a facut reverse engineering la ele, sunt filiere care au "scule" high-tech pt asa ceva, poate nu e cazul la noi in Romania dar nu m-as idoi.

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Sau vin cu alt computer  ;D nu este mare smecherie sa l inlocuiesti

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Una dintre metode este cu scaner-ul. Pandesc victima cand foloseste telecomanda pentru a inchide/deschide masina si cu ajutorul acelui scaner, captureaza unda si frecventa de deschidere a masinii.

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Top 10 Ways to Steal a Car  :thumright:

  1. Bump against the car to check for a car alarm. Since it seems like everything from a loud Harley to a rumbling garbage truck can set off a car alarm, people have been conditioned to tune them out. Instead of a motion-sensitive car alarm, use one that has a pager that will notify you as soon as your alarm is activated.

  2. Break the window or jimmy the lock to gain entry into a locked car. Don't tempt car thieves. Keep valuables out of plain sight. Take them with you or store them in the trunk. Also, if you have a stereo with a removable face plate, take it with you instead of tucking it away in the glovebox.

  3. Cut the steering wheel itself if there's a steering wheel lock. Instead of locking just your steering wheel, "lock" your car's ability to go by using a starter disable switch and putting it in a place where only you can get to it.

  4. Look for exposed wiring that can be cut or for the central unit of the car alarm to deactivate it. Instead of going to a big retail chain store, have your car alarm installed by a professional car alarm installer, preferably a reasonably shady one. Unlike retail chain employees, these experts know what it takes to make your car elusive to crooks.

  5. Look for car alarm decals to figure out which method to use to eliminate the alarm. Never display stickers that advertise what sort of car alarm you have, or audio system for that matter. Consider using a hood lock cable so the thief can't get to your battery or car alarm mechanism.

  6. Jump into an unattended running car while the owner is at the ATM, dropping off videos, etc. Never leave your keys in the ignition even for a quick errand. Car theft is a crime of opportunity, so don't make it easy for them to grab yours.

  7. Look for the car's title, registration or anything with a home address on it. Keep your registration and insurance information with you and never leave personal information in your car.

  8. Stake out sporting events, movie theaters and shopping center parking lots for the car of your choice since they offer the largest variety of cars in one area. Whenever possible, park in lots and garages that have security and/or parking lot attendants. If not, don't park in the farthest corner of the lot but rather near the entrance of these facilities to insure the most foot traffic (and the most potential witnesses). Also, opt for paying the extra couple of dollars for the monitored parking lot instead of using the free parking on the less-trafficked side streets.

  9. Find the second set of keys the owner "hid" in the car. Don't leave spare keys in your car or in a magnetic box attached to the underside of your car. Thieves know where all the "hiding places" are.

  10. Copy specific vehicle information and take it to the manufacturer to get a replacement key made. Instead of VIN etching the major parts of your vehicle, which doesn't turn most thieves off, drop your business card into the doors through the window slots to identify your car as yours.

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Pana acum din posturile voastre inteleg asa (cu exceptia celui de la swedespeed - Unde cred ca a vrut sa spuna Top 10 NOT to steal a car).

1.@Vadim, deci am inteles ca se fura pe platforma si se schimba computerul dupa....

2.@Adi2727 se scaneaza codurile telecomenzilor si se creaza o clona care sa deschida masina, dar mai ramane partea cu pornirea...

3.@Roberto, cred ca totusi asa le deschid cu ceva "scule high-tech".

  Evident ca raspunsurile voastre exprima opinii generale si nu particulare, ca doar nu sunteti hoti nu? si oricum nu mi-ati spune mie ;D Ramane inca un mare mister cum pot cei din "afara firmei producatoare" sa sparga asa repede sistemele astea. Am vazut imediat dupa ce a aparut Q7 ca l-au si furat in Bulgaria. Acuma eu inteleg la soft ca ai "dez-asamblor", rulare pas cu pas si..... timp, dar cand e vorba de "hard" si in locuri destul de publice, jur ca nu inteleg.

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Daca tot ai spus de bmw... eu stiu ca modele mai noi se pornesc de la un buton. Deci din moment ce ai deblocat-o...

Sau poate nu. Nu am avut bmw.  :P

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@Adi2727 Am spus de BMW pentru ca asa au spus cei de la furturi, ca sunt cele mai furate. Nu cred ca difera foarte mult la masinile noi sistemele de siguranta, ci doar ca BMW este usor vandabil. Unul care fura BMW, banuiesc ca la fel de usor fura si un Volvo....doar ca acesta nu prea il vinde usor....si nici nu sunt multe ca sa-l poti ascunde usor in trafic;D

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Las' ca o sa cer detalii catorva profesionisti si o sa te pun la curent.  ;)

In principiu e destul de usor sa furi orice tip de masina. Sa vrei e important.

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De ce ne miram daca a-ti vazut ce face un pusti de 22 de ani pe net , poate copia o baza de date de la un dealer, el so dea mai departe , avem ,, pensionari '' din toate structurile cu nivele de hi-tech la degetu mic, personal am fost sa i-mi montez o alarma ca cineva privat, si ma intrebat omul calm ce vreau sa faca alarma mea ca o poate programa sa face orice vreau eu. Am montat-o ... de 1 an nu am avut o problema , nu porneste aiurea nimic defect. Am aflat apoi ca mesterul acele de garaj e fost inginer de aviatie si maninca pe paine electronica , ca da consultanta (lectii) la firme mari ce suna la el ca ei nu stiu sa dea de capat ca cite un gps sau computere de bord. Daca cine nu trebuie ajunge la un om asa dotat si dispus sa ii ajute pe bani se poate face orice din orice sistem , tot de om is concepute , depanate ...

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Acuma eu inteleg la soft ca ai "dez-asamblor", rulare pas cu pas si..... timp, dar cand e vorba de "hard" si in locuri destul de publice, jur ca nu inteleg.

Software-ul controleaza Hardware-ul, ex PC-ul tau fara software e doar un morman de circuite.Deci faci reverse engineering la soft, si apoi  controlezi hardware-ul.

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Cum zici tu @ Roberto , nu toti stim calculatoristica hardvare sau software ;-)

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BMWurile moderne se fura cu cheia originala, nu este o filozofie cine vrea sa o faca o poate face dar o sa fie usor prins. Se face o cerere pt dublura cheie care se trimite la BMW, iti trebuie un om in locul care trebuie dar sigur vei fii prins pt ca totul ramane inregistrat in server.

Scandalul care este acum in Bucuresti cu politistii de la furturi auto este exact pt ca s-au gasit masinile dar nu si hotii, ciudat nu ?  :D

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daca hotul are bani se intereseaza si face rost de ce-i trebuie.

daca se sparg case de bani, nu vad de ce masinile ar fi mai sigure....

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Mai tineti minte cand Pepe a gasit un geam spart la X5-ul lui? A zis reporterului ca trebuie sa schimbe mai mult decat geamul, pt. ca data viitoare vine hotul cu cheie originala si i-o fura.

Deci exista o forma de furt de tipul asta; hotul intra in interior prin geam spart, ia o serie de pe modulul EWS (parca asa ii zice), cotrobaie pe acolo si pleaca. Tu te bucuri ca nu ti-a luat masina, zici ca a fost un cocalar care a cautat bani/telefoane/bijuterii in torpedo, repari geamul, si, dupa cateva zile... bye - bye car.

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