Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Avem doua masini care se adreseaza aceluiasi tip de clienti: tineri, sportivi, altceva decat majoritatea. Primul a fost Volvo prin C30 dar cum concurenta nu sta pe loc VW a venit cu o reinterpretare a legendarului Scirocco. Ambele masini sunt aproape identice la dimensiuni si spatiu interior singura diferenta intre ele fiind designul, motorizarea, calitatea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Ambele masini sunt aproape identice la dimensiuni si spatiu interior singura diferenta intre ele fiind designul, motorizarea, calitatea.presimt ca o vom lua de la capat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Mi-am permis sa iti editez masajul initial, pentru ca reprezentarea nu era corect: 7 poze VW-ul si doar 4 Volvo-ul. Am echilibrat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Again and again... never stop... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Again and again... never stop... lunar,odata la 28 de zile btw,imi plac rezolutiile ,vw strikes again .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Dupa 10 ani de VAG si vreo 2 de Volvo pot spune ca am ceva experienta din ambele marci, VW este foarte bine finisat indiferent de echipare mai ales daca vorbim de Golf si Passat, la Volvo insa finisarea lasa mult de dorit in varianta de baza. In schimb Volvo sta bine la confort, asta e motivul pt care am ales Volvo si voi alege in viitor tot Volvo .Cu privire la acest "versus" pot spune ca e un joke, Scirocco este ceva din alta lume atat la design cat si la motorizari, cu ochi inchisi as alege Scirocco desi mi-as dori o motorizare mai puternica, ceva de peste 200cp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Cu privire la acest "versus" pot spune ca e un joke, Scirocco este ceva din alta lume atat la design cat si la motorizari, cu ochi inchisi as alege Scirocco desi mi-as dori o motorizare mai puternica, ceva de peste 200cp.Dar si Scirocco este "reinviat" dupa cativa ani buni dupa Volvo C30... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Iar Volvo C30 este reinviat dupa 480, deci se poarta aceste reinvieri. Mai trebuie spus ca Scirocco are sasiu activ si DSG, acestea fiind atuurile modelului, acum intrebarea este cine naiba mai cumpara Golf GTI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post Cei care au familie si copil, pentru ca e mai practic. Imi dati voie sa fiu primul care zice ca Scirocco i se pare ca arata naspa? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 1 Jun 2009 · Report post I second that!Adică să-mi permiteÅ£i să fiu al doilea care spune acelaÅŸi lucru. Nu vreu să jignesc pe nimeni, dar modelul aceasta arată precum un import japonez, nu are stilul clasic european. Are un design unic care poate că le place oamenilor dar nu prea reprezintă marca VW, sa deplasat prea mult designul.Nu ÅŸtiu ce să zic. Nu arată rău dar mie nu-mi place (opinie personală). Tot cu Volvo aÅŸi rămâne dacă se poate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post Scirocco a fost declarata cea mai frumoasa masina produsa de VW in ultimii 10 ani. Cat despre design acesta va fii pt Polo, Golf si noua Jetta. Asta este noul trend VW. Oricum noul Scirocco a fost facut pt performanta care o ofera, nu este deloc practic . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post E draguta scirocco. Se poate sa castig unul la promotia OMV. daca-l castig va anunt de pe-acum ca-l dau la schimb pe-un volvo XC70. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post Scirocco all the way up!Avem Volvo, dar asta nu inseamna ca nu recunoastem si meritele altor marci ... In acest versus, dupa parerea mea, 'Masina Poporului' castiga ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post c30 t5 manual rdesign ... aceiasi bani ...twice the fun asta e interior de passat 2001 ... nici nu mi-as permite sa ii spun premium.si daca asta inseamna eleganta ... ma rog ...gusturile nu se discuta.vssi sa compar CE intre scirocco si c30? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post Volvo C30 Deci hai sa lasam pozele Photoshopate ale producatorilor in care si interiorul de Logan arata super in luminile perfecte editate si sa puneti voi daca aveti poze la lumina soarelui, lumina naturala si sa comparam atunci finisajele si restul. Parerea mea e ca interiorul tine DE GUSTUL FIECARUIA, la fel si designul, tine de gusturi. Eu mi-am facut peretii la camera de culoare albastra pentru ca asa mi-a placut si nu albi pentru ca asa se "poarta".Repet si eu : e Versus intre cele 2 la ce ? Cutia DSG intradevar imi place, dar nu cred ca se poate compara cu Geartronic-ul de la Volvo pentru ca din cate stiu cea din urma e facuta pentru comfort, deci ce facem comparam mere cu kiwi ?Pentru mine sondajele sunt fix pix, sunt sute de mii de sondaje create, dar daca le luam si le comparam NICI MACAR UNUL NU E LA FEL.Sunt PUR marketing.Drivetest-ul de catre tine insuti este si va ramane sfant, daca ar fi sa ne luam dupa sondaje credca ar mai fi ramas pe glob doar vreo 2 sau 3 producatori de masini. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post Vorba poetului:Cristi81 strike again. Da cu bata-n balta fara sa aibe decenta sa dea el primul niste informatii, chiar daca copiate din alta parte, despre ce compara, motoare, performante dinamice, design, vopsea, etc.Mai bine reformula: Ce sa-mi cumpar fratilor, C30 sau VW?Atunci sfatul tuturor era: IA-TI VW !!!Cum din pacate nu detin niciuna din cele 2 modele va invit sa cititi ce spun altii mai avizati:Volkswagen’s new Scirocco is not really a hot hatch. If it was, it would be a Golf. Let’s dismiss that notion straightaway – the new Scirocco is physically lower and wider than a Golf. Sure it shares technology with its famous and eminently practical sibling, but then so do all Volkswagens. Let’s call the racy new car a three-door coupe – VW will like that, it’s very new-niche.When you start looking for rivals for it, however, your options narrow pretty fast. But there is one, the Volvo C30 which is also a hot hatch that isn’t really, if you see what I mean. Technically it’s only a two-door in fact, with a piece of glass on the back that happens to open.So whilst VW has drum-rolled its new categorisation-defying Scirocco into the Middle East and dared people to pigeon-hole it, Volvo has simply waved a dismissive hand its direction with a ‘been there, done that’.The little Volvo, also dubbed a ‘sports coupe’, takes the signature face of the rejuvenated marque – strong, sturdy yet new chic – and mates it to an avant garde body that combines the typical strong-shouldered look, with a tapering body swept backwards until it rather abruptly ends in a styling nod to the 1800 ES from the 1960s.On paper the news gets even better for the Swedish car maker when you start to compare the C30 T5 against the Scirocco – a 2.4-litre five-cylinder engine which puts out 227bhp and 236lb ft or torque. That’s an advantage of 0.4-litre, 30bhp, 30lb ft and a whole extra cylinder. It’s even slightly cheaper. We ran a C30 T5 on long-term test for a few months last year and found it to be a dependable companion that combined common sense everyday motoring, a high level of cosseting safety, with tearaway performance, adept abilities, sporting pretensions and a maverick sense of fun. It’s the sort of car that if it cracked a joke in a room full of people, probably only one other would ‘get it’ and they’d laugh not only at the punch line, but at what a bunch of barbarians everyone else was for not catching on.So for a small car, the Volvo is stylish, solid, sensible, swift, well sorted and ever-so-silghtly ‘out there’. That’s it then. Volvo wins! VW shouldn’t have bothered getting out of bed this morning. No contest. Game over. Obviously though, it’s not as simple as that. For a start, let’s address the on-spec performance. The Scirocco is over 100kg lighter so the cars are equal on the 0-100kph sprint with a 7.1 second time each, and top speeds are virtually identical in the early 230s.And whilst the Volvo had arrived to collective gasps, oohs and aahs, and a need to realign commonly perceived wisdom as to what constituted a sports coupe silhouette – or for that matter what ‘hot hatch’ really means – it has now suddenly found itself completely upstaged bythe freshly-penned sleek new VW. All of a sudden, the C30 appears stodgy and upright, retaining its elegance but mislaying its crisp modernity in stark contrast to something that appears to have time-warped in from the future. In the clear light of day, it looks little more than a S40 saloon with the back lopped off – which, essentially, is what it is. VW’s designers have employed every trick in the book to give their new baby a low, squat, planted but aerodynamically sharp suit that ably fools onlookers into thinking it’s some sort of quasi mini-supercar. Grab a tape measure and you’ll find the dimensions surprisingly similar with the Scirocco a paltry 4cm lower.When the Iroc concept car was revealed at the Paris Motor Show three years back as a precursor to the new car, it was way more dramatic and radical than any small car had a right to be. The massive hexagonal gaping grille gave it the sort of intent that suggested it would go around swallowing bigger, mightier cars on the commute into work.For the production car the grille has gone. Instead, there is a much sterner, more frowning and rather conventional appearance at the front. Fortunately the photos don’t do it justice, you need full-colour real-time 3D to appreciate the contouring at work and the blending of multiple surfaces by the stylists. Some of the best looking cars are those that look like they are in full-flight even when they are standing still, the Scirocco is a case in point.Like the C30, the Scirocco has history. Its name is derived from the Italian term sirocco for the hot wind that travels north through Europe from the Sahara Desert, but as a car, its nameplate has solid credentials too. Whereas the C30 is retro-inspired by an old Volvo, the Scirocco represents a revival of a cult hit from the 1970s that, arguably, in-the-know enthusiasts would doff their caps to even more so than the original Golf GTI. Ah, the fabled GTI – king of hot hatches with a peach of a motor and an extraordinary paddle-shift DSG gearbox, both of which our wunderkind has understandably raided from the parents’ parts bin. Yes there is the turbocharged and supercharged 1.4-litre TSI with 160bhp which will get you to 100kph in 8 seconds and on to 218kph, utterly reasonable and good enough for just about most, but we know you won’t want to be seen in anything less than the Scirocco GT 2.0-litre TSI.The Volvo boasts strong provenance too. If you are familiar with the legend-in-its-own-lifetime Ford Focus RS the fact that the C30 shares not only its engine but also parts of its chassis with that street racer and pukka hot hatch, should be a real turn on. Remembering this, and intrigued by the spicier looks of the R-DESIGN bodykit and wheels, I jump in the white T5 for a refresher.Instantly I feel at home, the surroundings are familiar, the ‘floating’ centre console present and correct, though now with some interesting lining featuring a pattern that seems to circulate out from one of the knobs for no apparent reason, leaving me transfixed and fascinated for, well, almost several minutes. It’s clinical, efficient and comfortable. On the move, the silken delivery of the velvety five brings a wave of torque that is both relentless and restrained so as not to let things get out of hand. Despite the mating of front-wheel-drive and a hefty dose of bhp, this is not a torque-steer-laden experience of fighting to translate the power into usable motive force. It deploys its power in an effective and measured manner.Similarly, the grip and handling are highly competent with understeer quelled, a planted attitude bringing assured road-holding, and predictably safe and accommodating on-limit car control. The little Volvo is swift but sophisticated, despite its rude boy ingredients. If you must use the term ‘hot hatch’ then the C30 is very much your grown-up iteration of the genre.Duly satisfied I sink into the Scirocco’s sports seats and find myself lower and more horizontal than in the Volvo.The sportier seating position with the more steeply raked windscreen and deeper cowl, plus the flat-bottomed steering wheel and even the go-faster triangular door-handles present the driver with a strong first impression of a far feistier drive to come. Although, it’s not hard to spot the parts shared with the less-exciting Eos – dashboard, centre-console and sat-nav. Fire up what you thought was a familiar engine and you notice a fruitier exhaust note than you might have been expecting from GTI derivative, and the diesel-like rattle that comes from the direct injection technology is significantly quietened. That’s not all, the torque delivery has been lowered to earlier in the rev range for more gutsier go.There’s a deeper, more meaningful sound from the twin tailpipes as you blip the throttle, but an even more pleasant surprise comes from the clearing-its-windpipe prarrp you get each time you reach for the paddle and call in the next gear.The words eager and darty go well with hot hatches, but they don’t do enough to describe the electric abilities of the Scirocco. It wants you to drive it hard all the time, egging you on through corners. The lower weight and more accessible limit positively encourages you to go play, and get into a little trouble too.VW’s Adaptive Chassis Control (DDC) gives you three modes: Comfort, Normal and Sport. It varies the suspension and the steering response. If there are passengers present, who may be prone to a little car sickness, you could try Comfort, or Normal, but trust me, after a few minutes of trying the other settings you’ll leave this in Sport.A little more heft in the steering feel would be appreciated but it’s responsive enough and the whole chassis is alive with feedback which means you make this car dance to your tune. Cornering is great fun and the most humblest of roundabouts become hilarious fairground attractions.Throw it into one of these and the initial understeer can be snapped off as if via switch just by lifting off – you can even dab the brakes for some tail-out action if you’re hard enough, then power through the exit with a huge grin. It’s intuitive and enjoyable, there is less terminal understeer than the Golf GTI and it corners so much flatter too. Even as a hatchback this car is compromised, moreso than the C30. It’s strictly a four-seater and there’s less luggage space than a Golf, but it’s still remarkably versatile – however, the lack of an external release for the boot becomes rather annoying. The two individual rear seats are contoured and comfortable, with usable built-in headrests – though these impact on rear visibility for the driver, as does the low roofline. And though we normally leave the choice of colour down to your own preference – go for the Viper Green.If it seems like the Volkswagen just gave the Volvo a beating, that would be slightly unfair. Both these cars do an amazing job of redefining what a hot hatch is. What’s truly remarkable is how similar they are in concept and spec, and yet how different they are to behold and drive.Mature C30 or manic Scirocco? It’s the Volvo that makes the most sense but the Volkswagen proves an addictive adrenaline injection that’s hard to resist. PS: Daca nu sti engleza iti trimit si traducerea. 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Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post o trimiti la toti? :nana: :razz: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post @Maurice: daca nu stie engleza sa-nvete tata! Nu cred ca merita sa-ti pierzi timpul cu traduceri... Mai bine bem .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post Si ceva poza, de comparatie"Ieste cu volan pă dreapta" da nu conteaza. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post ii traduc io : e mai bun volvo .dar ce conteaza..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 Jun 2009 · Report post Bag piciorul eu scrisesem aici un raspuns detaliat dar se pare ca nu s-a postat offf.in fine nu mai rescriu ca nu mai am chef dar mentionez cate cevaC30-ul este mai greu cu peste 100 de KGComparatia la 0-100 in care au iesit ambele la 7.1 secunde nu este corecta. S-a comparat Scirocco cu cutia sport DSG fata de C30 cu cutia confort Geartronic ! Pai cum vine asta. C30-ul cu manuala in 6 trepte scoate 6.7 secunde deci mai bine ca Scirocco cu DSG si in plus e si mai greu decat el cu peste 100 KGla C30 ai o gama mai larga de motorizari din care sa alegi ca sa nu mai vorbim de noua tehnologie DRIVe cu Start\Stop in care scoti 3.9 L \ 100 si emisii infime, credca cele mai bune din clasa din cate imi amintesc.La C30 iei motorul de top faca vrei, adica T5-ul daca vrei senzatii si gata cu Scirocco.Avand in vedere ca Volvo a reusit sa faca un model care este peste si la performante daca comparam motorizarile de top, de siguranta nici nu vorbesc, ai o gama mai mare de motorizari, ai posibilitatea de a alege dintr-o gama de motorizari foarte economice si ecologice daca vrei si consum redus si taxe mici, are un design beton , stilat si de bun gust, interior tipic suedez............nu inteleg pentru ce mai discutam si ne contrazicem atat.C30 wins, cu toate ca VW e un concern imens, are potential si putere financiara, ca sa nu mai zic si fani, uite ca asta nu iti asigura succesul pe care oricum il au deja pentru ca multi or sa se orienteze pe Scirocco pentru ca e VW.Parerea mea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 3 Jun 2009 · Report post C30-ul este mai elegant si are mai mult bun simt pentru cine are ochi sa vada. Amestecul de culori de pe bordul VW Scirocco ma face sa zambesc. Chiar daca au caracteristici asemanatoare, targetul celor doua masini este comun intr-o masura mai mica decat pare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 3 Jun 2009 · Report post Scirocco arata mai bine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
